Donate Refer

We welcome referrals from family members whose child has been diagnosed with a life-limiting condition, or professionals. With your families permission we will then contact your professional support team (GP, consultants, key workers etc) to gather up-to-date information about your child's current needs and likely future prognosis. To make a referral please contact us.

I love the outdoors and grew up playing in the country side so for me setting up an outdoor company just seemed right. My favourite moments include being featured on BBC's 'Coast' program climbing and presenting. Another great achievement was launching the Geneva Motor Show for Jaguar/Land Rover in 2014, a very exciting project. There is more information about what I do on my website at DaveTalbot.net.

Yes, you can reserve a DVD of your jump for £140; photographs for £140; or a DVD and photograph package for £185.

Yes, we can.  Everytime we sell something that you have donated we can raise 25% more from the government through Gift Aid - at no extra cost to you.

Absolutely! Whatever event you are taking part in we would love you to join Team CHSW. Phone your local hospice or email event@chsw.org.uk and we'll send you a fundraising pack and CHSW running top.

Participants who register are not obliged to raise sponsorship. However, if you raise over £30 you will receive a medal. Alternatively, you can make a suggested minimum donation of £30 when you register online. 

Yes, we would appreciate as many volunteers as possible to help with things such as course marshals, water stations, bag drop, registration and pacers. Please contact either Cyra or Neville

 

Moonlight Memory Walk Cornwall

If attending the in person event at Heligan you'll be required to follow the guided 2k route that has been marshalled. You can choose to complete this route one or twice to complete 4k. 

Moonlight Memory Walk Clevedon

The walk is a 4k circular route, that you will need to walk in order to get back to the event village. However if you do find that you are struggling with the distance, then please do talk to one of our volunteer marshals on the route, and we can sort out a shorter way back for you. 

 

  

Group sizes range from 12 – 30 depending on the challenge. You will come across a wide mix of people on an event like this, and you are likely to make some life-long friends. All ages take part and from all backgrounds.

Only the Children's Hospice South West and HM Revenue and Customs. We will not share it with anyone else.

Own place refers to a runner obtaining their own place in an event (eg. purchasing your race place directly with the race organisers). And of course we would love you to use your place to run for CHSW.

To claim Gift Aid on your fundraising, we must have the first name or initials, last name, full home address and postcode of each individual donor/sponsor. So please encourage them to tick the Gift Aid box on your sponsorship form when they sponsor you. Without these details we legally can't claim Gift Aid - so be strict with your supporters!

Eden Project

We will be sending out your runner number, fundraising pack, sponsor form and coin collection card from mid October onwards. You are welcome to download any of these fundraising tools prior to this by visiting the 'how to fundraise' tab on the Santas on the Run Eden webpage.

Charlton Farm

We'll be sending your fundraising pack and runner number out in the post at the beginning of November. Your fundraising pack will also be available to download, and includes a sponsor form, coin collection card and gingerbread house collection box. You can download this by visiting the 'how to fundraise' tab on the Santas on the Run North Somerset webpage.  

We'd suggest a change of clothes and shoes as well as a towel so you can dry down after the event but it does depend how much time you spend in the foam. 

Please note there is no bag drop facility at the event so please ensure you can store this in your car, or bring along a cheer squad who can look after them for you. 

BeGambleAware® is administered and funded by an independent charity GambleAware®, it provides confidential support and counselling to people aged 18 years or over affected by gambling. Visit BeGambleAware® or telephone 0808 8020 133 (local call rate from the UK).

Volunteers are covered by CHSW's insurance policy while engaged in any work on behalf of CHSW.

The race pack containing your race number will be sent by the event organisers. Please visit the FAQs section on the event organiser’s website for more details. We'll send a separate race pack containing your CHSW running vest, if you have given us your size. 

Unfortunately, if the back marshal has already left you will be unable to take part in the walk for health and safety reasons. 

Moonlight Memory Walk Cornwall

Please ensure you arrive by 7pm at the very latest to sign in and collect your T-shirt.  

Moonlight Memory Walk Clevedon

Please ensure you arrive by 6.30pm at the very latest.

Unfortunately, we're unable to transfer your place, and registration fees are non-refundable.* 

*Should the event date be changed; your registration will be automatically transferred to the new date, or a refund offered on request. 

If you're unable to take part due to extenuating circumstances, on authorisation by the Fundraising Manager, CHSW will refund any monies relating to your registration fee, after a deduction of a £5 admin fee. Any documentation sent to you (i.e. running number) must be returned before the refund is processed. 

In the unlikely event that CHSW has to cancel the event, all participants will be contacted about a registration fee refund and any sponsorship money received by CHSW can be refunded on the request of the sponsor. 

If you are taking part in our Cornwall and Devon events, all paid participants will receive a Rainbow Run medal as they cross the finish line! 

If you’re taking part virtually, you’ll be sent a medal after the event if you raise the suggested sponsorship of £20.  

Unfortunately we cannot claim Gift Aid on funds raised through the lottery.

Not necessarily, this will depend on what your criminal record is for and the role you are applying for. We reserve the right to make a decision on a case by case basis.

You have the right to cancel this contract within 14 days without giving any reason. This cancellation period will expire 14 days after the day on which you (or the person you nominate) received the goods, or received the final item from an order for several items. To exercise your right to cancel you must inform us in a clear statement sent by post or email to the address below.

Children's Hospice South West, Little Bridge House, Redlands Road, Fremington, Barnstaple, Devon, EX31 2PZ

If you cancel this contract, we will refund all payments received from you, including the costs of standard delivery only. We may make a deduction for the loss in value of the goods, if the loss is the result of unnecessary handling by you.

We will make the refund as soon as possible, and no later than 14 days from the day you return any goods, or provide evidence of return. We may withhold the refund until we have received the returned goods, or you have supplied evidence of having sent back the goods, whichever is the earliest.

We will make the refund using the same means of payment that you used for the initial purchase unless you have expressly agreed otherwise. You will not incur any fees as a result of the refund.

You shall send back the goods without undue delay and in any event not later than 14 days from the day on which you communicate your cancellation of this contract to us. The deadline is met if you send back the goods before the period of 14 days has expired.

Returned goods should be in perfect condition to obtain the full refund and we ask that you arrange and pay for return postage (unless the goods are faulty). If goods are faulty you can request a replacement instead of a refund. 

Charitable donations made with an order cannot be refunded.

Yes, but only a small one. Your employer will use a Payroll Giving Agent (like a charity bank) to distribute the donations that you and your colleagues make. The Payroll Giving Agents are charities that need to make a small charge to cover their operating costs. Some employers pay this fee on your behalf so we receive your full donation.

If your employer doesn’t pay the fee, the Payroll Giving Agent will deduct it from your donation before passing it on to us. This will be between 2% and 4%. This compares favourably against the admin costs of claiming Gift Aid on a Direct Debit donation.

Once you have registered, you will receive an email on the next working day. This will include links to set up your Just Giving pages  and information about the event. You'll also receive other emails from us to support you with your fundraising along with a call from one of our fundraisers. Your runner numbers will be sent via post. 

Have a look at our training page for advice and information on getting ready for the Ride for Precious Lives. By training hard you will be sure you’re ready for the challenge ahead! 

Most referrals come from health or social care professionals, but anyone can refer a child or young person.

At the finish line we will have cleaning stations with soft brushes so that you can give yourself a good dusting off to remove most of the powder. You won’t be 100% clean but you will be able to remove most of the paint.

We recommend that you leave a towel in your car to cover your seat or spare clothes to put on top of your running gear to ensure you get as little paint as possible on your seat.

CHSW cannot be held responsible for any damage or paint getting on participants vehicles, public transport or private property.

Yes, setting up a gift online is also completely safe. Any personal information you enter onto our online Direct Debit pages (including, name, address and bank account details) is encrypted before being sent to us.

Your information is saved in a secure environment using industry standard practices. You are then covered by the Direct Debit guarantee. We will write to you to confirm the details of your gift, and give you at least 21 days before taking the first payment. You can amend or cancel at any time.

Yes you need to have a Discus account and in order to leave a comment you will be required to login. You can login using your social media or Disqus accounts.

We have limited capacity on single supplement rooms and this option is only available to the first 15 riders who pay the single supplement of £50. If part of a Team we will prioritise you share with another member within your group or alternatively you will share with another participant. Woman and men who are unknown to each other will not be placed in the same room. 

You can create a Just Giving page, personalise it with a photo and share it with friends and family by message, email or on social media. They can donate quickly and securely online. You can also download a sponsor form so you can do it the old fashioned way if you prefer!

You can decide to compete your hike anywhere! You can complete it around your own home or whilst out on your daily exercise or a devised special route.

We will absolutely take your word for it! However, if you want to show your supporters you have completed your hike, we recommend you download Strava and link this to your Just Giving page or social media- this can also help increase your fundraising. You can also share this on the Be Incredible Facebook page so we can all see you efforts! 

As we are registered with the Fundraising Regulator, CHSW is committed to the highest standards of fundraising practice and ensure our activities are open and fair, honest and legal.  Read our Fundraising Promise

Find out how to contact us with comments or complaints.

You will need to be 18 years at the time of the event to be able to take part.

The minimum age is 16 years and there is no upper age limit.  If you are aged under 18 you must obtain parental consent using BPA form 106.

All participants should carefully read the declaration of fitness form 115A.  It may be necessary to consult your GP and ask them to sign and stamp form 115B.

The standard upper weight limit is 15 stone / 95 kilos fully clothed.  Please call Skydive Buzz if you are between 15 and 18 stone.

All forms can be downloaded from the Skydive Buzz website.

You pay these taxes if:

  •     Income Tax is taken from your wages or salary before you receive your pay
  •     you pay tax after filling in a self-assessment form each year
  •     you have any taxable savings (in a Building Society, for instance), or a pension plan, or investment income
  •     you have paid any Capital Gains Tax, on the sale of a property or some shares, for example.

Inheritance Tax, Council Tax and VAT do not count as Income or Capital Gains Tax.

Absolutely! Whatever event you are taking part in we would love you to join Team CHSW. Phone your local hospice or email event@chsw.org.uk and we'll send you a fundraising pack and CHSW running top.

Due to the amount of paint used at the paint stations only children aged over 5 years can take part in this event. All children aged 16 and under must have a participating adult also register to run with them. If you have younger children, they must remain in the event village with another adult or guardian.

If you are taking part virtually, you can get the whole family involved in Rainbow Run!

There will be a finishers medal – this year we won’t be selling t-shirts but watch this space for 2024!

 

Moonlight Memory Walk Cornwall

Our in person event at The Lost Gardens of Heligan will take place in the dark, however we'll marshal the route for your safety. We recommend you bring a torch and mobile phone. We will be lighting the paths with candles bags in special areas around the route and some areas will be lit with Heligan’s beautiful lighting.

Moonlight Memory Walk Clevedon 

The event will take place in the dark, however we'll marshal the route for your safety and there are street lights on the route. We recommend you bring a torch and mobile phone.  

Required fitness levels depend on the trip you are taking part in and your current level of fitness. These trips are not targeted at experienced trekkers, so we will have people of all abilities on the event. We do advise that everyone should train for the event, as the fitter you are, the more you will enjoy yourself. We also advise people to go at their own pace on the event – it is not a race, and the idea is to enjoy yourself.

Please let us know by contacting us in one of the following ways:

Email: enquiries@chsw.org.uk
Telephone: 01271 325 270 (Monday to Thursday, 9.00am to 5.00pm, Friday, 9.00am to 5.00pm)
Write to us at: Children's Hospice South West, Little Bridge House, Redlands Road, Fremington, Barnstaple, Devon, EX31 2PZ

No. Only fill out the own place running form if you have already purchased a place from the event organisers.

Gift Aid is a government scheme that allows charities to reclaim the tax on your donations. This means that every £10 donation you give under the Gift Aid scheme is worth £12.50 to CHSW - at no extra cost to you.  

Eden Project

We will be sending out your runner number, fundraising pack, sponsor form and coin collection card from mid October onwards. You are welcome to download any of these fundraising tools prior to this by visiting the 'how to fundraise' tab on the Santas on the Run Eden webpage.

Charlton Farm

We'll be sending your fundraising pack and runner number out in the post at the beginning of November. Your fundraising pack will also be available to download, and includes a sponsor form, coin collection card and gingerbread house collection box. You can download this by visiting the 'how to fundraise' tab on the Santas on the Run North Somerset webpage.  

We love dogs but we can't allow any animals on the course. They will be however allowed in the event village if kept on a close lead. 

It is important the Raise a simle Lottery and CHSW Raffle are a fun way to support Children's Hospice South West, but that they never have a detrimental effect. CHSW is committed to ensuring the Lottery and Raffle are operated in a secure, fair and socially responsible way. For more information please read our Social responsibility in gambling Guide.

If you die without a Will in England or Wales the law will decide who gets what. If you have no living family members, all your property and possessions will go to the Crown.

Unfortunately, we're only a small team and can't get to every event our supporters take part in. If we're attending the event, we'll let you know where we'll be on the day, six weeks before event day. Your friends and family are welcome to join us! 

Please read our Moonlight Memory Walk participant safety brief to ensure you are fit to take part in this event and conditions of walking on the evening.

No problem.  Please contact your event fundraiser.

No! Anyone of any age can be registered, even the dog!

 

Based on the 2022/2023 financial year, the odds of winning the guaranteed weekly 1st prize of £1,000 is 1 in 16,629. The chances of winning any of the other 14 prizes is 1 in 1,187.

Yes, we welcome volunteer expertise and ask that you complete our enquiry form with a brief description of your professional background. 

It is not usually commercially viable for most shop teams to collect donations from your home. However, collections can sometimes be arranged locally, so it's worth asking your local shop (contact details can be found on our Shopfinder). Our furniture shops (which you can also find through our Shopfinder) sometimes offer a local collection service.

Your donation is very important to us and we will write to thank you on an annual basis if you have chosen for us to contact you. We may also send you updates on our work if you have indicated that you are happy to receive these. You will know the deduction has started as it will appear on your payslip.

Once you have registered, you will receive an email on the next working day. This will include links to set up your Just Giving pages  and information about the event. You'll also receive other emails from us to support you with your fundraising along with a call from one of our fundraisers. Your runner numbers will be sent via post. 

Yes, the CHSW Raffle is licensed and regulated in Great Britain by the Gambling Commission under account number 4991. Read the full Terms and Conditons.

Once all the information available is reviewed, a decision will be made about the appropriateness of hospice care for the child and family. The family and the involved professionals will be informed of this decision without delay. A typical period for completion of this referral process is approximately six weeks.  To make a referral please click here.

You will leave Rainbow Run looking very colourful, and we recommend a few showers to rinse off the paint. If you have stubborn colours in your hair washing up liquid works a treat to rid the colours. If your hair is very light, or colour treated, you may wish to wear a hat or headscarf to minimise the paint contact.

Cheques should be made payable to Children's Hospice South West and sent to us at:

Children's Hospice South West
Little Bridge House
Redlands Road
Fremington
Barnstaple
Devon
EX31 2PZ

Please note we do not recommend sending cash through the post.

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Have a look at our training guides for advice and information on getting ready for the Ride for Precious Lives. By training hard you will be sure you’re ready for the challenge ahead! 

CHSW are working in partnership with a third-party provider to ensure you will be walking with an experienced guide and support crew who will provide support and first aid across the 3 days; otherwise known as ‘Hike Support.’ CHSW staff will also be on hand to offer emotional support, encouragement along the way as you reach each stop. 

You will need to make your own travel arrangements to get to registration at the start on Friday morning and to travel home from the finish on Sunday. 

If you unable to complete your Hike as You Like in May, you are most welcome Hike as You Like anytime! Please just register and let us know when you are planning your hike.  

The ride is designed to offer a challenge to cyclists of all abilities. You will need a good level of fitness in time for the event, each day you will cycle between 60 to 90 miles incorporating several hills. As long as you start training early enough, even new cyclists can take part. Our training plan offers you some ideas to be event ready. You can also download the route and incorporate some of the local sections in your training plan.

A tandem skydive is an easy and enjoyable way to experience the thrills of skydiving.  Once aboard the aircraft, you will be securely harnessed to your Instructor as you ride up to your chosen altitude.  The aircraft takes approximately 10 minutes to climb to 15,000ft, giving you time to take in the views.  Once at altitude, you will get the green light for GO! 

During freefall, you will experience speeds of approximately 120mph for up to a minute, falling around 2 miles.  As the canopy opens, you will be aware of the sudden tranquillity as your speed dramatically decreases.  This allows you to talk with your Instructor, take in the expansive scenery during the 5 minute parachute ride, and land safely after helping your Instructor to steer the parachute around the sky before gliding back to the airfield.

You pay these taxes if:

  •     Income Tax is taken from your wages or salary before you receive your pay
  •     you pay tax after filling in a self-assessment form each year
  •     you have any taxable savings (in a Building Society, for instance), or a pension plan, or investment income
  •     you have paid any Capital Gains Tax, on the sale of a property or some shares, for example.

Inheritance Tax, Council Tax and VAT do not count as Income or Capital Gains Tax.

Absolutely! Whatever event you are taking part in we would love you to join Team CHSW. Phone your local hospice or email event@chsw.org.uk and we'll send you a fundraising pack and CHSW running top.

Due to the amount of paint used at the paint stations only children aged over 5 years can take part in this event. All children aged 16 and under must have a participating adult also register to run with them. If you have younger children, they must remain in the event village with another adult or guardian.

If you are taking part virtually, you can get the whole family involved in Rainbow Run!

Yes, your registration fee goes towards the costs for putting on the event.

Any additional sponsorship helps to raise vital funds to care and support children and young people living with life-limiting conditions and their families.

 

Absolutely – you can decide how you'd like to remember and celebrate the lives of your loved ones over the Moonlight Memory Walk weekend!

You may decide to hold a cream tea, a garden party, a gathering on a beach or in a park! 

If you have not done any exercise for some time we recommend you visit your doctor before starting your training. Our tour operators provide training guidelines when you sign up.

Please let us know by contacting us in one of the following ways:

Email: enquiries@chsw.org.uk
Telephone: 01271 325 270 (Monday to Thursday, 9.00am to 5.00pm, Friday, 9.00am to 5.00pm)
Write to us at: Children's Hospice South West, Little Bridge House, Redlands Road, Fremington, Barnstaple, Devon, EX31 2PZ

No. Only fill out the own place running form if you have already purchased a place from the event organisers.

Thank you so much for raising money for Children’s Hospice South West, we really appreciate your support! Please send us a cheque made payable to CHSW to: Children’s Hospice South West, Little Bridge House, Redlands Road, Fremington, Barnstaple, Devon, EX31 2PZ.

It would be great if you could also let us know how you raised the money (and be sure to include your name and address so that we can send you a thank you letter!).

Of course!

Please call the following numbers to get you up and running: 

There are no long term harmful effects from the foam either during or after the event. If you get some in your eyes, it may sting slightly, consider wearing sunglasses or goggles. The mixture that we use is drier than most foam; therefore you won’t be soaked and won’t be slipping around in the foam stations. 

The dye in the foam gives vibrant colours however it is a food dye and is water soluble as well as environmentally friendly and completely safe. 

The coloured powder paint is 100% safe and non- toxic. It is biodegradable and will not affect the environment. The paint should not cause harm to participants however we recommend that you don't enter if you have a respiratory, skin or medical condition that could be affected. If you're unsure, please consult your doctor before taking part. 

It is important the Raise a simle Lottery and CHSW Raffle are a fun way to support Children's Hospice South West, but that they never have a detrimental effect. CHSW is committed to ensuring the Lottery and Raffle are operated in a secure, fair and socially responsible way. For more information please read our Social responsibility in gambling Guide.

A residuary legacy is the gift of the remainder of your estate (or a percentage of the remainder) after all other gifts to friends and family have been distributed and all outgoings have been dealt with.

A residuary legacy is especially valuable to CHSW because the growing value of your assets protects it against inflation.

A pecuniary legacy is a fixed sum of money that tends to decrease in value over time because of inflation. For example, a legacy of £1,000 written into a Will in 1980 would now be worth less than £380. However, it is possible to index-link a pecuniary legacy, to ensure that the legacy maintains its intended value.

You can set up a team fundraising page on Virgin Money Giving following the steps on their website. We recommend that you set up an individual page which links to this team page so we can clearly identify any funds that have been raised on your behalf. 

Moonlight Memory Walk Cornwall

You need to arrive between 5.30pm and 7pm at the latest to give you enough time to sign in, hand in your candle bag and collect your T-shirt. There will be music and entertainment throughout the evening. The memory ceremony will begin at 7.15pm prompt and the walk will begin at 8pm.   

Moonlight Memory Walk Clevedon

You need to arrive between 6.00pm and 6.45pm at the latest to give you enough time to sign in, collect your tealight and T-shirt, and be ready for the safety briefing. There will be musical entertainment throughout the evening. The walk will leave at 7.30pm, after a Memory Ceremony.  

No problem.  Please contact your event fundraiser.

Rainbow Run is a fundraising event for Children's Hospice South West and your registration fee helps cover the cost of the event. We are therefore asking all participants to raise a suggested £20 which would fund one hour of hospice care. Visit the fundraising tab for colourful ideas to raise as much as possible and set up a Just Giving Page. Alternatively, you can donate via our online donation page in lieu of Rainbow Run sponsorship. 

 

The prize fund for each weekly draw is £1,425. This is made up of 14 guaranteed prizes totalling £1,225 and a £200 Bonus Rollover.

The 14 guaranteed weekly prizes are 1st prize: £1,000, 2nd prize £100 and 3rd prizes 2 x £25, 5 x £10, 5 x £5

The Bonus Rollover starts at £200 and if the prize is not won it rolls over by £200 each week until it reaches £10,000 when it is guaranteed that week.

 

Our volunteering opportunities don't require a formal interview. We will ask you to complete a volunteer registration form to find out more about you. An informal meet and greet session will then be arranged. This gives us an opportunity to tell you more about our work and role, and to learn about your interests and skills.

Yes we can. Every time we sell something belonging to you, we can raise 25% more from the government through Gift Aid - at no cost to you.

Find out more about Gift Aid.

If you are a 40% or 45% taxpayer, Payroll Giving is the only way we can automatically receive all your tax on a donation. You will receive tax relief at the highest rate of tax you pay; so each pound you give, will only cost you 60p.

Unfortunately, if the back marshal has already departed you will be unable to take part in the event. Please arrive by 12.15pm at the latest to give enough time to park, sign in at participant registration and be present for the safety briefing and warm up.​ 

Please call 01271 313 311, Monday to Friday from 9am to 4.30pm. At all other times please leave a message on our answerphone or complete our online enquiry form.

We have eight specially adapted bedrooms at both Little Bridge House in Devon, and Charlton Farm in Bristol. At Little Harbour in Cornwall there are six, which are used for respite breaks.

At each hopsice we keep one of these bedrooms free for emergency or end of life care.

CHSW will have photographers taking photos on the day and filming the rainbow craziness. If you want to get shots right in the midst of the action we recommend covering cameras/phones with plastic wrap or bringing a disposable camera.

CHSW is unable to support individuals requiring visas to volunteer in the UK as we do not have a sponsorship licence.

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As places are limited for this event to a capacity of 120, we ask each rider to commit to raising the suggested minimum sponsorship of £1,200. Your registration fee covers the cost of your hotel stay, food and cycling jersey. If you do not think you can commit to raising this sponsorship please call Kiley on 01726 871 800 to discuss prior to registering. 

 

Members of Hike Support will make a decision each day to ensure conditions are deemed safe to walk. They will consider high winds, torrential rain, thunder high temperatures or any conditions where it is considered too dangerous to continue. We may have to decide to abandon the event for that day. But a little rain won’t stop us! 

There are lots of ways to pay in your sponsorship. 

We recommend you do not send any cash in the post. Please pay the money raised into your bank account and then make a donation on our online donation page.

You can send your sponsor forms and a cheque to your local hospice:

Little Bridge House

CHSW, Little Bridge House, Redlands Road, Fremington, Barnstaple, Devon, EX31 2PZ 

Little Harbour

CHSW, Little Harbour, Porthpean Road, Porthpean, St Austell, Cornwall, PL26 6AZ 

Charlton Farm

CHSW, Charlton Farm, Charlton Drive, Wraxall, North Somerset, BS48 1PE 

You can also add any offline sponsorship to your online Just Giving page that you may have set up. You can bank the money you have collected and then may a payment onto your own donation page. All money raised on an online giving page automatically is sent through to us, so you do not have to do a thing!